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#1 09-22-2005 5:11:34 PM

bweissman
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Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Sorry to see this entire topic was destroyed by vandals. Let's see if we can get it re-started.

I would like to archive recordings off my 6412's hard drive. Are there any digital ways to do that?

Ideally, I'd like to dump to a DVD recorder using the 6412's DVI or FireWire outputs (I'm currently using the component outputs to drive my TV, which has no DVI inputs). I'm not particularly interested in magnetic tape media such as DVHS.

I know that I will lose high-definition going to a DVD, but that's acceptable. The main reason I want archive capability is to preserve some well-loved recordings and free up some DVR disk space.

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- Bob

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#2 09-22-2005 6:56:13 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

I occasionally record to my JVC-40K D-VHS via firewire, but I too would like to record to DVD.  So far, I haven't been able to record ANYTHING (OTA or DVR content)  with my Panasonic E-55 DVD burner.  Is it currently possible to record to DVD?  If so, what are the appropriate connections between TV (Syntax LCD HD) Moto 6412 and DVD Recorder? 

The FAQ on Motorola web site suggests it may NOT be possible, but I read a post in another forum from someone who was able to record everything (including archived DVR programs) to DVD in standard def.  using essentially the same equipment I have. 

Thanks in advance for any input on this.

Gerald

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#3 09-23-2005 4:27:51 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Unless the box is adding copy protection code, you should be able to at least record using the standard analog connections. I've 'copied' programs to VHS several times.


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#4 09-24-2005 1:42:15 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Well, I've verified that the FireWire output works on the 6412.

So the question reduces to this: is there a commercially available DVD recorder which accepts FireWire input from the 6412 (as opposed to DV)? Poking around online, I can't find any.

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#5 09-25-2005 6:23:31 AM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

bweissman wrote:

Well, I've verified that the FireWire output works on the 6412.

So the question reduces to this: is there a commercially available DVD recorder which accepts FireWire input from the 6412 (as opposed to DV)? Poking around online, I can't find any.

I have a cheapo ilo recorder and it is DV in only. I connected the firewire to the 6412 and got nothing.

Al

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#6 09-26-2005 11:48:41 AM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

I have been able to access my 6412 via firewire, but can only record to P.C., not see what is on the HD.  What am I missing?

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#7 09-26-2005 2:05:32 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

I connect my 6412 to my DVD recorder with composite cables and have no problems recording.  You can even record the HD shows, they just are letterboxed once recordered.


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#8 09-27-2005 2:27:08 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

rkkeller wrote:

I connect my 6412 to my DVD recorder with composite cables and have no problems recording.  You can even record the HD shows, they just are letterboxed once recordered.


Rich

rkkeller:

Are you also able to record content which is stored on the 6412 hard drive onto your DVD recorder (in any format)?

Thanks,
geharvey

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#9 09-30-2005 5:10:12 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

How exactly would one go about copying the contents of the DVR to the computer? I noticed there is an ethernet connection on the back of the DVR. Can I use this to transfer the programs to my computer?

Is any special software needed? Will the DVR appear as another drive or ... ?

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#10 09-30-2005 5:24:07 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

IRC wrote:

How exactly would one go about copying the contents of the DVR to the computer? I noticed there is an ethernet connection on the back of the DVR. Can I use this to transfer the programs to my computer?

Is any special software needed? Will the DVR appear as another drive or ... ?

Wouldn't that be nice?  Unfortunately, the ethernet connection isn't active.  The only way you can get anything off the DVR is to play it back and record the output via whatever connection you have to the recording device (composite, etc.)

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#11 09-30-2005 5:46:46 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

If...

...the content you want to offload is HD
...You have windows xp
...your computer has a firewire connection

This works quite nicely.

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#12 09-30-2005 5:51:15 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Wareagle wrote:

Wouldn't that be nice?  Unfortunately, the ethernet connection isn't active.  The only way you can get anything off the DVR is to play it back and record the output via whatever connection you have to the recording device (composite, etc.)

Boooo. Well that's no fun. Thank you for the quick reply. I had bookmarked this site because of all the information. I wanted to come back when I had a little more time. Unfortunately, when I had the time to investigate further the site was empty because of the hacking. Good to see information being shared again.

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#13 10-05-2005 9:24:34 AM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

I can record both live and recorded shows onto DVD.  The only problem is you cannot see the 6412 menus on the DVD recorder.  So you have to change inputs and start the show and pause it then switch to the recorder and then unpause it.


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#14 10-05-2005 10:36:59 AM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Frank wrote:

If...

...the content you want to offload is HD
...You have windows xp
...your computer has a firewire connection

This works quite nicely.

Seems like an awful lot of work, and not a trivial process. But I may try it. Any idea how much disk space a 1-hour HD program requires?

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#15 10-05-2005 12:07:01 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

bweissman wrote:

Frank wrote:

If...

...the content you want to offload is HD
...You have windows xp
...your computer has a firewire connection

This works quite nicely.

Seems like an awful lot of work, and not a trivial process. But I may try it. Any idea how much disk space a 1-hour HD program requires?

Once you get all the drivers set up, it's as simple as hitting "Record" on the computer program and "Play" on the DVR.

The space per hour depends on a lot of factors in the transport stream, but 4-5 Gb per hour sounds like a reasonable estimate.

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#16 10-05-2005 2:14:45 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Frank wrote:

Once you get all the drivers set up, it's as simple as hitting "Record" on the computer program and "Play" on the DVR.

Yes, but that only gets the data as far as the PC. The process of setting up the data for DVD burning looks like the complicated part.

I just wish there were a DVD recorder with digital inputs so I could skip the PC. All the analog outputs of my 6412 are in use.

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#17 10-05-2005 2:28:33 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

It's less complicated than it is time consuming.  If I can do it with relative success, it really cannot be all that mind blowingly complex smile

I'm not sure what good a DVD recorder with digital inputs would do you, as the HD content would have to be reformatted to DVD spec somewhere.  In that regard, your PC *is* the DVD recorder with a digital inputs.

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#18 11-05-2005 1:20:23 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Hi, I'm new to this so I have lots of questions.  I have connected a wireless game adapter via ethernet connection to the back of the DVR box.  It should allow be to FTP into the box, but it wants a username and password to do it.  I tried 'annonymous' but that doesn't work.  Any suggestions?  I use the wireless game adapter on my Xbox regularly and it allows me to put media on my xbox to view on the tv screen.
Thank you,
Wes

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#19 11-05-2005 2:05:49 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Wes, I have no idea what you're talking about.  Where did you get this method from?  I've not read of anyone successfully FTP'ing to their 6412.

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#20 11-05-2005 3:06:22 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

I didn't get it from anyone, I just thought it might work.  I there a way to connect to the dvr box wirelessly? If not, I don't have a firewire connection on my pc.  Any other way to do it?
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Wes

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#21 11-05-2005 3:28:49 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

The only way I've seen work in connecting to the box is the other way (getting data that's on the box off the box and onto a PC) using firewire.  I've not seen any evidence that anyone has connected to the box to put data on it.

That being said, if you got to an FTP prompt served by the box using the Ethernet connector, that's interesting.  Can you verify this?

There are analog inputs on the front, but I haven't seen anyone try to use them for anything.

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#22 11-25-2005 11:39:34 AM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Is it possible to capture the files on the dvr to a mini dv camcorder?  I'd imagine this would be time consuming but it could then be edited on a pc.  I like the idea of the direct route from the box to the pc but pc is upstair and box is downstairs.  Probably need a 25 foot cord.  The other question I have is regarding those front three av inputs - I've tried connecting my vcr to to those plugs in hopes of recording directly from the dvr to vcr but with no success.  I don't know if this is because my dvr runs through my tv.  Thanks for any help and kudos on a fabulous site.

James

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#23 11-25-2005 1:08:52 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

My 100% pure speculation on the camcorder thing is "Not Digitally."  To get the content from the 6412 to a PC via firewire requires that a special software driver and specific software program be loaded on the PC, which I'm assuming are not available options on the camcorder.  You can, of course, use the SD analog outputs (Composite video + L/R Stereo Sound) to input into the camcorder if it accepts analog input (or a VCR, or DVD Burner, etc for that matter).

The front inputs are not active, and never have been.

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#24 11-25-2005 2:15:38 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

Frank, thanks for the help.  I've explored a number of dumping possibilities - dvd recorder, camcorder, vcr - but I think the pc is the best if I can find a long enough firewire card.  Could you explain, in simple terms, what I will see on my pc when I try the transfer?  Does it allow me to access my DVR Recordings?

Thanks again,

James

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#25 11-25-2005 4:20:21 PM

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Re: Archiving recordings from DCT-6412

The method works like a VCR to VCR recording would.  In simple terms, you hit "RECORD" on the PC and "PLAY" on the DVR and it records to the PC in real time (an hour recording takes an hour). On the PC, you'll see nothing except a counter going.

It's pretty complicated to set up, but that's the gist of it once all the software is on the PC and set up properly.

This site explains all the details.

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